Monday, June 6, 2011

Actual Monthly Living Costs - Training MMA and Muay Thai in Thailand

The actual living costs of a fight camp is often very different from what guys budget for.  Living in Thailand can be very very cheap but there are also many ways to blow your six months savings in half that time.  Here is a breakdown of actual real life costs.  The monthly training costs are roughly the same whether you are training at Tiger Muay Thai, Phuket Top Team, or even the smaller gyms like Dragon Muay Thai and Suwit.  Places like Fairtex are a bit more expensive and places in the north like in Chiang Mai are a bit cheaper, but the training cost itself is only half of it.

Monthly Budget for Training Muay Thai and MMA

Strict Budget - Cheapest Possible per month


Monthly Training - Muay Thai and MMA - 9,000 baht ($300US)
Accommodation: Fan Room with Shared Bathroom - 5,500 baht ($185US)
Breakfast - Eggs, Omelette or Oatmeal with Fruit - 40baht per meal x 30 = 1,200 baht ($40US)
Lunch - Thai Food - Chicken Basil with Rice, Fried Rice Chicken, Mixed Veggies with Chicken and Rice 50 baht x 30 = 1,500 baht ($50US)
Dinner - Chicken, Broccoli and Brown Rice - 100 baht per meal x 30 = 3,000 baht ($100US)
Drinks - Only Water which you refill yourself from 10 liter jugs - 80 baht ($2.65US)
Entertainment - Visit temples, the big buddah, relax on the beaches, go hiking, sneak into a resorts pool, play board games, watch TV and DVDs, internet - all free.

Total Cost for Month for Training on a Strict Budget - 20,280 baht - $676US Dollars

*You can save $133 a month by paying for 20 classes per month instead of unlimited, which will be good for 1 class a day, 5 days week and training on your own on your off time.  New total: $543 a month.


Photo of my basic fan room at Phuket Top Team


So yes, it is possible to live super cheap out here in Thailand which is what I've been doing for the past three years now on and off.  After reading the book by Tim Ferris, "The 4-Hour Workweek" I decided that for the cost of one month's rent alone back in Los Angeles, I could live, train and eat out here, I made the move.

However, here are common add ons that will eat into your budget: Some of them are necessary to live and others are out of convenience and comfort.

Pharmacy - Ibuprofen, Muscle Relaxers, Pain Killers, Anti Biotic Cream, Tiger Balm, and Re-hydration Powders (powdered Gatorade) 570 baht a month on average.  $19US

Motorbike Rental - If you want to get around the island you'll most likely rent a scooter.  Learn to ride a semi-automatic (manual) and save yourself tons of money, it only takes a few days to get used to.  2,000 baht a month for a manual, 3,500 for an automatic.  $67-$117US a month.  (Prices are current as of June 6th 2011 but are a bit higher if you rent through some gyms)

Tips on motorbikes: What Thai's call Manual bikes are actually semi-automatic since there is no clutch. If you are staying for three months or more, it is much cheaper to buy a 2nd hand motorbike because you can sell it when you leave for roughly the same as you paid for it.  Buy a Honda Wave, Honda Dream, or a Suzuki Swift for easy repairs and resale for about 10,000baht $334US and sell it for 8,000-10,000baht when you leave.

Typical Honda Wave Motorbike Semi-Automatic (scooter) 

Massages - If you are in Thailand and you are pushing your boxing in Muay Thai and MMA, you really should treat yourself at least once a week to a Thai Massage.  Prices range from 150 baht an hour if you go to local places, and up to 300 baht an hour at Phuket Spa, where you get to use their steam room, jacuzzi, and swimming pool for free.  $5US - $10US per hour.

Movie Theater/Cinema - The theaters in Thailand are very nice, play new western movies in english (with thai subs) and are much cheaper than back home.  On Wednesdays it's even cheaper at only 80 baht, normal price is 140 baht.  $2.65-$4.65

Actual Comfortable Budget per month including Training, Accommodation, Food, and Extras - 24,110 baht per month including weekly massages, movies, and a motorbike.  $804 US Dollars.

Patong's Bangla Road - The Las Vegas of Thailand
However, there is an evil that will kill you budget and about 50% of guys that come train Muay Thai and MMA end up falling for it.  It's called Patong.  If you start going there, you will not stop.  Luckily most guys will only go on Saturday nights, but many end up going a few times a week.  Here's what to add to your budget if you do.

Taxi - 100 baht there, and 500 baht return, as going there you'll be in a big group but coming back you'll usually be solo or with one other person. $20US

Motorbike Accident - If you think you'll save money driving there, you have a big chance of getting into an accident, even if you only have one or two drinks.  20,000 baht or more.  $666US.

Alcohol - Drinks are much cheaper in Thailand than back home.  But if you compare it to food it's actually really expensive and it's terrible for your training.  60baht per drink $2US.

Strippers, Bar Girls, Whores - If you're a single guy, drinking in Patong, after spending all week with a bunch of dudes in a house training, you spending 2,000 baht won't seem like such a bad idea.  $67US.

Actual Monthly Cost if you go to Patong once a week - 35,710baht (1,191US Dollars)

So even with going crazy every weekend, it's still relatively cheap to eat, sleep, train, and have fun in Thailand.  But if you're serious about training and getting in shape, I'd suggest you make a pact to yourself to not go to Patong until the last week before you leave, which is what I'm going to try to do.  

Update: I made a pact to myself not to drink while training.  You lose an entire week's worth of gains every time you spend a night drinking, when I'm here to train, I'm here to train. 


Warm Regards,

Johnny FD

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35 comments:

  1. Hey nice breakdown of costs (wouldn't be complete without the bar girls haha).

    Saw the link to it from Mike's site (muaythaitrainingcamps.com) and was wondering if it's cool to post it on my site as well with due credit of course

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  2. I heard most places around the tiger/dragon muay thai overcharge on a lot food, is their good/cheap places around their?

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  3. DirtyWhiteGi - Not a problem at all man. And yup, the bar girls definetely end up being a bit part of some guys budgets.

    Jim - Food on the Tiger/Dragon/Top Team street is catered towards foreigners so it's a bit more expensive, but you also get English menus and English speaking staff, and food that isn't as spicy.

    Places like Tony's and MaMa's is around 50-60 baht per meal ($1.66-$2) and the newer hot spot Ja Ja's is the cheapest at 40 baht $1.33US for all thai dishes over rice such as Fried Mixed Veggies, Chicken Basil, Chicken stir fried with green peppers and onions, Pad Thai Noodles, or Garlic Pork over rice.

    Local places might be 30-40 baht. So a bit cheaper but usually not worth the effort unless you want to eat something new and different.

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  4. Thanks for doing this!

    I am going to be training at Suwit gym for 3 months next year and i have been trying to work out how much I should budget. This has answered a lot of questions I had.

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  5. I couldn't find an email to ask you a question through but ill just post here. I'm from australia and have a decent background here in amateur boxing - id love to do a 3 month camp just as you have done and im just curious as to which you would suggest the best/most economical for western style boxing (this is where my heart really lies).

    Or would you say just take the plunge and train muay thai (i just don't know how hard it would be to adapt from traditional boxing).

    Thanks for your effort to reply and i have really enjoyed reading your blog!

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  6. There's a reason my email isn't posted anywhere on this site...I prefer answering questions through the comment form so others can benefit from the answer.

    If you're just going to come do boxing, don't bother. The boxing programs here are good, especially with Silvu Vulc at Phuket Top Team, but why come all the way to Thailand and not at least try some Muay Thai.

    The only reason not to is if you are trying to go pro in boxing back home and don't want to mess up your style. I'd say, give Muay Thai a try and if you have to, you can always fall back by buying a 10 card pass to boxing, and do privates on the days that it's not offered.

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  7. just wondering im wanting to become a pro mma fighter but the thing is im pretty low on cash if i go there is there a chance I can get a job on camp?

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  8. AnonymousJune 16, 2012

    hey johnny, where exactly do you get wate refills at? is it close to the tiger muay thai?

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    1. Job - Best chance is to contact the gym directly and ask if you can work there in exchange for training. Good luck.

      Water - It is literally, directly opposite from TMT.

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  9. Great blog. Thanks for sharing your experiences here. This has given me loads to think about prior to my trip next year. Are there any other blogs that you recommend?

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  11. do you think its possible to get work at a resort if you have your rsa and rsg?

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  12. hey man im 21 almost 22 and this is seriously a dream of mine to go to thailand particularly PTT and train for a 3 to 4 month camp this breakdown was awsome i tried to do the research myself but it was kinda mingled you answered all but 1 question hows the flight cost from your home town (i think you said LA)

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    1. Flight's change a lot. I use kayak.com to check prices. A lot of the time I fly through Eva air because they let you do open return tickets without extra cost.

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  13. Enjoyed reading this post! Mostly cause I like knowing the costs of things in different parts of the world.

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  14. Great blogs... I am actually in the beginning stages of planning my trip to Phuket ThaiLand to do some training myself. Your blogs are really helping understand what i need to start saving up for..

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  15. thanks for sharing.

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  16. Johnny, quick question...looking at Phuket Top Team next week. Lodging...did you stay on-site? Off-site? There seem to be several options, and really leaning towards the off-site budget rooms (just because they have AC)....thoughts on that? Staying on-site is cheap (especially when lumped together with the training)...but I do love the AC. And how is the weather this time of year? Do you need AC at night, or is the fan good enough? And are the mosquitos bad right now? Any idea? (though I know you're in Chiang Mai right now...)

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    1. Hey MK,

      I was quite happy in the fan rooms, but it does get hot. It's not the hot season right now but during the day it's still really warm, like up to 90f warm. If you're the type to need A/C, go for an A/C room. I personally dislike AC because it makes me sick. I was perfectly happy with the fan room, although I wish PTT would have build a window on the back wall of the rooms for airflow.

      Mosquitoes aren't bad at all, you can buy some mosquitoe cream at 711, and what I did was buy an electric tennis racket if one was in my room. But compared to the rest of thailand, Phuket and Chiang Mai both seem not to have many mozzies at all.

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  17. Hi Johnny,

    Your blog is really helpful for first time visitor. I am flying to Phuket for MMA training for 2 weeks. i cant wait to go. thanks for your blog, information, and advices you put on this site.

    Vince

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  18. Hey amazing blogs really insightful so Firstly i have to say thank you!

    Secondly, I'm planning a trip to Thailand later in the year for 3 months and looking to train for a month at PTT few questions what gains would you expect a person to get? (iv trained grappling and boxing for 10+ years, since a young child. Now 21) what are the camps like day to day? When there's no classes on do people do there own thing stay as a group ect.. Mainly worried as I'd be leaving my travelling group for a month as I don't want to miss this opportunity. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated thank you :)

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    1. Hey really glad you are enjoying the blog. If you come and train even just once a day 5 days a week, you can make incredible gains in 3 months, the reason why I always schedule my fights near the end of 12 weeks is that's when you are at your peak performance, day to day at PTT there are a couple guys that live at that gym that you'll make friends with, but it's relatively quite. I write about it a lot in my book, about the great friends I met during my time at PTT and TMT and day to day life as well as the training. If you are coming for 3 months, you should read it, I guarantee it'll answer a lot of questions and save you a lot of money along the way, you can download a free chapter at http://www.myfightcamp.com/12WeeksPreview.pdf

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  19. I don't quite get the water cost
    Drinks - Only Water which you refill yourself from 10 liter jugs - 80 baht ($2.65US)
    is that 80 baht for 10 litres? I assume you'd drink about 4 litres away due to the heat / humidity

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    1. In Phuket, it is 10 baht for a 10 litre jug of water. I usually go through two a week, making it around 80 baht per month.

      In Chiang Mai, there are machines everywhere that give you 1-1.5 liters of filtered water for 1 baht which is around 80 baht as well. The good thing about Chiang Mai is all Thai restaurants give you free water with your meal. In Phuket. only some do.

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  20. I recently come back from my first trip to Thailand, I had no intention of doing muay thai there but I had trained it around 10 times last year in the UK, I walked past a gym and thought "when in rome!", I trained in bangkok and phuket, I'd love to go back to Chaing Mai and train, its nice and cheap up that way, I'll buy your book at the end of the month, I'm keeping to a tight budget.

    the best gym I seen for location was on Koh Yao Noi, it literally couldn't get closer to the water, also sun sets there every day and swimming pool about 20 metres from the ring :)

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    1. Hey glad you had a good first trip to Thailand and ended up doin gMuay Thai. I've heard good things about KYN and will check it out on my next trip. But life in Chiang Mai is definitely easy and super cheap. Looking forward to hearing about your next trip, enjoy the book!

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  21. Hey Johnny,

    Really like the blog. I've been thinking of coming down to Thailand to train for a while now, and your blog/book (just previewed it till now) have convinced me to take the jump.

    However, I'm not sure I can adjust to the life there so I was thinking of coming down for a one month period to test the waters initially. Is this enough to get a feel of things at least? I ask because I don't have the funds to come down for 3 months or more.

    Having read your blog (and some others), I get the impression that places like Chiang Mai are more suited to those who don't want to be distracted by the nightlife/women/alcohol etc. Is this true?

    And finally, I was thinking of coming down during August/September, since I believe that is the off-peak season in Thailand where air-fare and accommodation are a lot cheaper.

    Once again, thanks for the blog and best of luck.

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    1. Hey Nash, glad you are enjoying the blog and the preview of the book. Definitely come for one month if that's what you can afford for now. But trust me, once you're here you'll wish you could stay longer.

      Chiang Mai is a fantastic place to just focus on training and not get swayed by the vices of Thailand and Aug/Sept is a fine month to come, but honestly, sooner the better. Accommodation price doesn't change much so it'll just be airfare. Do read the book before you come, it'll save you far more than the $24 it costs to buy, I money back guarantee that it will.

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    2. Cheers man. Thanks for the prompt rely. Buying the book right now.

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  22. Hi there Johnny, fantastic blog mate and will be buying the book once pay day rolls through!

    I'm 21 in June and have always dreamed of starting fight training how ever due to personal circumstances I have struggled, I have done some light boxing but that's about it. I'm looking at going to train at PTT for 6 months, how ever I'm worried that my lack of experience will be a big down fall for me.

    Whilst there I would be there to train, looking at doing MMA but would be rude to not get involved in some Muay Thai! After looking in to the trip some more I've fell in love with the country and I believe it could be the trip of a life time.

    Thanks for the brilliant read and keep on blogging!

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    1. Hey Gamble, sounds like you are going to have an amazing 6 months when you do come. Keep on training and be fit when you arrive. Don't worry about the lack of experience, a lot of people that come are beginners. Enjoy the book when you get it and keep in touch.

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  23. Hey Johnny,
    Which lodging is the cheapest AC room near Phuket Top Team? I am anticipating eating and falling asleep after each training session so I didn't want to go too far. thanks again. Great book!
    Jericho

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    1. Hey Jericho,

      The closest AC room near PTT is the new onsite deluxe rooms, which is nice because you can save 5-10 minutes of walking before and after each class and it will be more social as you will be living at the gym. The cost is 13,500 which is pretty expensive but it may be worth it if you want to be on site.

      Within a 10 minute walk there are rooms at Tony's Restaurant and Ja Ja house with rooms around 10,000 baht or less, including A/C.

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  24. Nice read! I like the suggestions.

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  25. Phuket absorbedly get children into mind in relation to amusement. It's because of this that the Phuket Fantasea has been established.
    Entertainment Phuket

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